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Germany or Sweden? - GETHU - 03-29-2012 01:51 PM

Hi
I have applied to RWTH (CACP) , TUM (Computational Mechanics) , Esslingen (Design and Development in Automobile Engineering), kaiserslautern (CVT) in Germany and also got an admit from KTH (Vehicle Engineering) Sweden. So which country is a better choice? The factors which would influence my selection are :
1) Reputation of the Institution and also recognition of degree from that
institution around the world .
2) Part time job during course
3) Cost of living
5) Chance of Internships in Industries for international Students. (This
has become a factor because one of my friend in US is finding it to
get an internship as she is not an native american)
4) Job Opportunities.
5) Ease of Extension of visa after study.
6) Government Regulations towards foreigners. ( I know it wouldn't
of-course be favorable but just wanted to know how tough it is)

I haven't got any replies from German Universities but it will be to late for me to decide by the time i get the replies, as the deadline to pay fee in Sweden is May 31st.
@[billa]
@[Dark Knight]


RE: Germany or Sweden? - Rocker.pg - 03-29-2012 04:39 PM

@[hemanth.jan] Whenever the time between your two consecutive posts is quite limited, the second post gets merged into the another.

Merging of posts results in not being able to tag someone. To overcome this always edit your first post and then tag someone.

Anyways, tagging for you

@[billa]
@[Dark Knight]


RE: Germany or Sweden? - rohanvkamat - 03-29-2012 06:26 PM

@[hemanth.jan]

Same question for me too. I have 1 admit each from Sweden and Germany. Also, I have 1 pending from Germany. But this is what I think

1)Depending on scholarship in Sweden, my expenses for 2 years are same in sweden and germany. In fact for Germany, less tuition fee.
2)We have to learn languages in both countries. German would be useful for jobs in Netherlands and France as well. Swedish, I dont think so. Also, If you learn German, its quite easy to learn Swedish.(I hope u know what I am implying)
3)Visa Extension: Germany will provide 1 year after MS to find suitable job. So even if we have less german Language skills, we have 3 years to study it. For sweden, we need to learn the language in 2 years as well as find a Job within 2 years. Billa said that are ways to extend the Visa, but after all there is some risk involved.
4) For guys like you and me who want to study Automotive engineering or Automotive electronics, Germany is always going to be Number 1. And here is the reason why:
a) I spoke with a friend of mine in SCANIA(Major Automobile Company) in Sweden. He said that SCANIA has stopped external placement from this year on. They will employ now from within the company.
b)Germany is the Hub for Automotive Engineering. Volkswagen will be number 1 in the world in terms of sales(Trust me, I have worked with them)
c)Sweden is a very exports driven country with huge emphasis on manufacturing. But the problem is, it exports all its products to Europe. So if Europe is in a slump, then so will Sweden's unemployment. Germany on the other hand has exports in all the emerging countries like China and India. So there's always going to be scope for expansion.

This is just my point of view. I think Billa might differ. FYI Even I haven't decided yet but will decide soon.


RE: Germany or Sweden? - vikksuriya - 03-29-2012 06:43 PM

RWTH>Esslingen>KTH cosidering the fact that Germany rocks for Automobile and RWTH is THE place to be.No tution fee in germany,its a little difficult to get a complete tution fee waiver at KTH and stockholm is an expensive city so the expenses defnitely higher than at Aachen.


RE: Germany or Sweden? - Dark Knight - 03-29-2012 07:30 PM

Hi hemanth! Congrats on your admits

Sorry mate, I have no inputs about the schools in the EU and won't be able to help you. billa will guide you.

ATB Smile


RE: Germany or Sweden? - GETHU - 03-29-2012 10:37 PM

@[Rocker.pg]
Thanks for the help Smile Which country do you prefer? Have you also apllied to Germany?

@[Dark Knight]
Thank you
Any one else on this forum who could help me in this regard?

@[rohanvkamat] From which university did you get an admit?
1) fee wavier i am expecting the result pretty soon. Say i get a full fee wavier
(Fingers Crossed) which one would you prefer?
2) I just started my German Language course.
3) Lately i have heard to many people coming back from Germany as they couldn't
find a job there. So it is a big matter of concern now.
4) I still have Germany 1st on my list Smile . But only if it is TUM, RWTH or Esslingen

@[vikksuriya]
What about TUM mate? I know my chance of getting there is very less, its like a dream university.


RE: Germany or Sweden? - ashwin.musk - 03-29-2012 10:58 PM

@[hemanth.jan] ah, the same dilemma I had, but it was pretty much sealed for germany when the RWTH intac sobs cancelled the automotive course. With my cgpa, 7.45/10, its pretty much decided that admits would be tough in Germany. Nevertheless, I applied to Esslingen, Just because its free Very Happy

Things became bright when I got my chalmers admit, they've got a real good FSAE team, and the University in whole does exude some kinda charm. Mostly gonna go there, my merit ranking is 800/999, no notification of scholarships yet, desperately waiting for one. So if you are headed to Sweden, hoping for jobs there, or hoping to migrate to the German job market, you can count me in Smile

I've applied to US too, Clemson in South Carolina, desicions still pending, but i dont care anymore, because its too costly an affair, and chalmers is cheaper without scholarship Rolling Eyes and jobs, the US automobile market, its too wild a gamble.

And regarding internships, I dont think you'd have a problem with that in KTH, its got a real good stand and i'm kinda sure you can get into a decent university. And are you really sure you can take up learning german intensively before getting off to start the course? Man, this is my opinion but i sure cant Laughing I need some time to cool down, i know for sure I cant learn german for 5hrs a day after B.tech is over, i need some time to get the jitters off Smile if you are up to it, then as many would, it should be destination germany for you, as sweden is viewed as an alternative to germany and not as a choice by itself. Too bad but thats the situation. All the best man.


RE: Germany or Sweden? - GETHU - 03-29-2012 11:14 PM

@[ashwin.musk] Congrats for Chalmers admit Smile
The RWTH news was a heart breaking one! Not only that, many other universities are set to follow the footpath of RWTH. Heard Wuppertal also canceled a course. I am learning German as it is a requirement for few universities. At-least A1 level. Weekend classes of 3hrs. So you know how serious i am about learning it Razz Even i cant sit for 5hrs everyday and learn a language Smile


RE: Germany or Sweden? - gowthamtce - 03-30-2012 12:05 AM

@[hemanth.jan] People rate RWTH as high ranked university only because it in the IDEA league with the leading univ of Europe. It is a reputed university for automobiles, but KTH has certain standards for all the courses. From this year you can try for a credit transfer with University of Illinois Urbana champaign if you're KTH student Smile . And one of my senior in KTH right now he prefered KTH over Cornell and Imperial as he got admits in both the universities. And finally Europe is not place you find jobs easily, but quality of research was good. A good work, What you do in next 2 yr in europe will yield you job for sure.


RE: Germany or Sweden? - krazzycool - 03-30-2012 05:00 AM

@[hemanth.jan]
At the end of the day, it will come down to your ability to finance your studies. I do not know about your programme. So I am not qualified to comment on the strengths & merits of the program.
From the feedback of my friends, KTH is a good option if u are looking for research and education. however without scholarship, it is expensive. Some German universities are good. There are good job opportunities there after graduation. But i dont think students from KTH face problems in finding jobs either.

Just a general advice. Part time job should be considered only as a bonus. Don't plan your education based solely on possibility of part time jobs. I have some friends in univs who have done that mistake and have felt bitterly disappointed. Some of them had to leave their part time jobs since it was at very odd hours and was affecting their studies. So you also need to check what kind of part time jobs are available.
ATB


RE: Germany or Sweden? - Rocker.pg - 03-30-2012 10:26 AM

@[hemanth.jan] No, I have not applied to German Universities. I am not qualified to comment on this comparison.


RE: Germany or Sweden? - krazzycool - 03-30-2012 01:56 PM

@[ashwin.mask]
This post is on the lighter side. when reading about ur clemson post, i remember a discussion which i had with a couple of professors (from different departments) separately sometime ago. They had pretty much the same opinion that MS in US is a commercial programme and the focus of any student aspiring to get into a top univ in US should be on a PhD. One of them even said that a student with good academic credentials is normally offered a direct PhD there and if a person cant cope up with the rigors of doctoral research, he comes out with a MS degree after 1.5-2 years yrs (i.e., a failed PhD candidate Razz)


RE: Germany or Sweden? - pulse - 03-30-2012 04:50 PM

(03-30-2012 01:56 PM)krazzycool Wrote:  @[ashwin.mask]
This post is on the lighter side. when reading about ur clemson post, i remember a discussion which i had with a couple of professors (from different departments) separately sometime ago. They had pretty much the same opinion that MS in US is a commercial programme and the focus of any student aspiring to get into a top univ in US should be on a PhD. One of them even said that a student with good academic credentials is normally offered a direct PhD there and if a person cant cope up with the rigors of doctoral research, he comes out with a MS degree after 1.5-2 years yrs (i.e., a failed PhD candidate Razz)
In the present day, you need an outstanding background to be offered a PhD position. Applying to an MS program and being offered a PhD is even rarer.

Commercialisation of the US MS programs is something I am tempted to believe .I know some total pinheads who have got into Universities like CMU, after coughing up half a crore though. These chaps had no engineering skill or knowledge. I think the same holds true for some UK based programs as well.
On the same note, I know a fellow who got into Delft and was simply terrible. He could not even understand the difference between AC and DC. I kid you not!


RE: Germany or Sweden? - GETHU - 03-30-2012 10:41 PM

@[krazzycool]
Okay I shall strike out the part time job from the list Smile
@[gowthamtce]
KTH on the whole is awesome but how good foe vehicle Engineering is my concern. I have heard KTH is good for electrical and environmental engineering or something.


RE: Germany or Sweden? - gowthamtce - 03-30-2012 11:52 PM

Well KTH is good for all disciplines, As for as I know KTH vehicle engg has huge funds, As one of my senior in KTH current studying machine design course there told to my friend who has also got admit for vehicle engg, and no luck with the scholarship though his rank is 190. I guess as KTH is no.1 university in Sweden, There is no problem for you to get through some good automobile industry, may be volvo Very Happy Check the research profile of professor in your department dude
And finally if you get SI scholarship or 100% fee waiver go to KTH or else never think about it Shame on you, Unless you can afford 33lakhs Shocked Then Germany will be a good option Smile